The case was eventually abandoned. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. Locked up. Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. They are total bs. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. She is a D-FW native with a B.A. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. The District Attorney got this one right. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Contact Elizabeth Murray at 651-4835 or emurray@freepressmedia.com. But in October 1998, the LAPD established a cold case task force and reopened the murder case 17 years after Jerome Scotts death. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. Nope. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Not sure why anyone is defending her. Patricia And Mark McCloskey Who Waved Guns At BLM Protesters Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Thanks for contacting us. Patricia Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! Marcelin said the detectives, referring to Patricia Wright, asked, Dont you want that [expletive] off the street?. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Sad discovery. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Nataly is the lead writer on Curious Texas and a breaking news reporter. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Amina two bullets in the heart.". The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. How would an intruder find it? Stop it.. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. So, lets take your response one step at a time. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Cop defends accused. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? It was total shock. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. He jumped at the opportunity with the understanding that the emphasis would be on Lawrence Slaughter and not his sister. A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. Said "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. And its been bad. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. . Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. It cost me a lot of money, I even put advertisements in the paper down in Puerto Rico looking for her.. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). Beautifully said Cliff! And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! This woman killed and is where she belongs! There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. We didnt expect it. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. Stop. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. Its never been made clear. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. Until next time, cheers. Patricia Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. One on one? They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Its barely visible in the picture. She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. 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Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Its nine minutes into the video. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. And Patricia wasnt all edges. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Still, no good leads materialized. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. I am sorry it ever happened at all.". Gail Gattrell, the sisters great-aunt, described the deaths as an honor killing which are often carried about by a relative who believes a woman went against conservative Islamic values on love or marriage. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. I dont even know its Christmas.. Proven in court and sentence awarded!!! Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Youre absolutely right!! Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. However, Said never called 911. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. Not gender neutral. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Mark and Patricia McCloskey And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. Just one example. The evidence was all there. What evidence is there she actually left the state? THE COPS SET HER UP. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? (We didnt get into the specifics.). Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. DNA also doesnt lie. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. You say by definition! She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. Especially mice! Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. If the answer is no, enough said! The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. She should have received the death penalty imo. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Just one example. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. Great communicator. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. She definitely did it. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Because of these two prior offences, Patricia was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole under Californias Three Strikes Law. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Mr Steve J Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Trash-talking ex. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. "The family has been very patient. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. 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